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now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what john boehner is advocating is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and it
now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than...
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john boehner is fighting to keep it that way. we'll tell you what that's about. >>> fast food workers stage the largest strike in their history. we'll show you what they hope to accomplish here in the big apple. >>> and later the white house releases the first beau obama christmas video. it's much better than the old barney camp videos and we have the tape to prove us. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're coming right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. republicans want democrats to do their dirty work when it comes to medicare. we know president obama offered $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs over the next ten years. here's andrea mitchell trying to get an answer from jason shabbets on where he has a problem with it. >> is your problem that it's not specified? or do you have to produce a laundry list before he comes up with his? >> that's what's unfortunate. speaker boehner is on the right track. i think he's shown a willingness to talk about things th
john boehner is fighting to keep it that way. we'll tell you what that's about. >>> fast food workers stage the largest strike in their history. we'll show you what they hope to accomplish here in the big apple. >>> and later the white house releases the first beau obama christmas video. it's much better than the old barney camp videos and we have the tape to prove us. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're coming right back. >>> welcome back to "the...
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with respect to john boehner. he had to go back to his caucus say, listen, this is a tragedy for us if we continue. >> your prediction is she won't get the 218? >> i'm not going to go on a limb yet. >> wouldn't it be something if she did? wouldn't that be a repudiation of boehner and mcconnell? >> yeah, of course. it would resolve a huge chunk of this issue right away. keep in mind, the senate is sitting there and they have passed a tax cut extension program that the obama administration wants and it would essentially lay the groundwork for getting a quick fix to this fiscal cliff. they could then move on to the spending cuts portion. >> sam stein, "huffington post," good to have you with us. >> go giants. >> stop that. >> had to do that. >> giants are okay. i like the packers better. remember to answer tonight's question question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter @edshow and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. >>> coming up, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says dem
with respect to john boehner. he had to go back to his caucus say, listen, this is a tragedy for us if we continue. >> your prediction is she won't get the 218? >> i'm not going to go on a limb yet. >> wouldn't it be something if she did? wouldn't that be a repudiation of boehner and mcconnell? >> yeah, of course. it would resolve a huge chunk of this issue right away. keep in mind, the senate is sitting there and they have passed a tax cut extension program that the...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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speech. >> john boehner, they voted for it in 2008 and again in 2012 john boehner making a fuss on this is like the man who lost lotto and still demanding
speech. >> john boehner, they voted for it in 2008 and again in 2012 john boehner making a fuss on this is like the man who lost lotto and still demanding
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this was the damage that john boehner hung over the white house last year. the white house said we're going to put this all in one and boehner said you have to pay me a special price. it would be insane not to come to a resolution on this issue once and for all. >> it's really the only card that he hold. obama has the advantage of letting--going over the cliff and letting it all expire so he starts to get the revenue that he wants. what does boehner have to negotiate? j. >> cenk: this is dr. strangelove territory. this is peter sellers pushing the button. you do this, and you destroy yourself. it's an insane negotiating ploy. it's hard to think that he could push that button. he used it last year and there was a consensus that politically that republicans lost face and lost public support and they were playing with fire. am i misreading this? >> no, because i think part of it, again, we're talking about the markets. it strikes fear in the markets. they say, president obama you better do something because the stock markets and the bond markets are reacting ne
this was the damage that john boehner hung over the white house last year. the white house said we're going to put this all in one and boehner said you have to pay me a special price. it would be insane not to come to a resolution on this issue once and for all. >> it's really the only card that he hold. obama has the advantage of letting--going over the cliff and letting it all expire so he starts to get the revenue that he wants. what does boehner have to negotiate? j. >> cenk:...
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john zarrella, thank you so much. >> john boehner is just about to speak. he met with house republicans about his latest offer to president obama. dana bash is here. is he coming out? >> reporter: we think so. to recap what we have is $800 billion in new revenue and republican congressman from all points on the political spectrum told us that the conference seems to be pretty unified hype the speaker when it comes to the process that they understand that they are going to have to make some concessions and at the end of the day the key thing is to keep the discussions going. one thing that we did hear is a little inside baseball but certainly ruffling feathers here is that a few of the conservative -- most conservative members of congress were removed from key committees. and we're told that two of those members who were removed actually stood up and complained. you know, these are members who were on important committees, like the budget committee and financial services and this is not just upsetting people internally but mostly upsetting conservatives outs
john zarrella, thank you so much. >> john boehner is just about to speak. he met with house republicans about his latest offer to president obama. dana bash is here. is he coming out? >> reporter: we think so. to recap what we have is $800 billion in new revenue and republican congressman from all points on the political spectrum told us that the conference seems to be pretty unified hype the speaker when it comes to the process that they understand that they are going to have to...
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house speaker, john boehner, he doesn't know how to handle this. he was forced to respond and wasn't quite sure what to say. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. he is a wonderful friend of mine and a great supporter of mine. raising taxes on the so-called top 2%, half of those taxpayers are small business owners. >> actually, congressman cole agrees with the same thing. he doesn't want to raise on the top 2%. bain boehner is spinning his wheels. president obama could be pushing these guys all the way until the break. he reminded the country of the steaks stakes today. there was a sense of urgency in the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all
house speaker, john boehner, he doesn't know how to handle this. he was forced to respond and wasn't quite sure what to say. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. he is a wonderful friend of mine and a great supporter of mine. raising taxes on the so-called top 2%, half of those taxpayers are small business owners. >> actually, congressman cole agrees with the same thing. he doesn't want to raise on the top 2%. bain boehner is spinning his...
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will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question. don't play games right now. will you -- do you think that they should actually vote -- >> i'll answer -- >> -- do you -- >> i will answer your question. we just had to take off the question the nonsense attack that i expect from harry reid. i will call mr. boehner tomorrow shortly after i call harry reid and ask him to make sure that the senate rules will allow open debate and open amendment and that he won't play games as he's been doing for the last four years, and when harry agrees to that, i will call boehner and ask him to alter house rules. >> okay. >> i'l
will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question....
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>> it has given john boehner some cover. you now have a conservativconse albeit establishment member of the house republican party who is essentially going to the left of john boehner. of course, john boehner has basically said, look, i disagree with tom cole. what has happened, we have actually seen other republicans embrace what tom cole said. mary bono mack said she'd support something tom cole is calling for, extension of the bush tax cuts for the middle class, not for the wealthiest. by having this cover john boehner could actually have the flexibility to negotiate with the white house maybe something that doesn't go as far as the white house and tom cole want, but some other kind of middle ground. something we didn't see in the 2011 negotiations over the debt ceiling. >> meanwhile john boehner is being pretty elusive about what the specifics, the details are. i want to play a little bit of what he said today at his weekly briefing. >> revenue is on the table. but revenue was only on the table if there were serious spen
>> it has given john boehner some cover. you now have a conservativconse albeit establishment member of the house republican party who is essentially going to the left of john boehner. of course, john boehner has basically said, look, i disagree with tom cole. what has happened, we have actually seen other republicans embrace what tom cole said. mary bono mack said she'd support something tom cole is calling for, extension of the bush tax cuts for the middle class, not for the wealthiest....
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the president and john boehner's relationship. john boehner now, when he walks back to hc-5 and he has that meeting with a republican caucus that he's having to drag to the table to bring -- generate new revenue. he now goes back, and boehner faces a very angry caucus. tom cole came out and said, hey, let's go ahead and raise taxes. that was remarkable. eric cantor on this show said, we have to raise additional revenue. republicans have stepped forward and said that. if i were a sitting member of congress right now, a guy on this show who has said for years we have to make a deal, my response to john boehner would be very simple. just stop talking to him. don't talk to them until they make a serious offer. just don't. because this is, after all, a party that's been running the u.s. senate for years, and they've never produced a budget. if they want to offer us something serious, great. if not, well, we'll just sit back and wait. really, i've got to say, i'm really stunned by what happened yesterday, mark. tell us why it happened t
the president and john boehner's relationship. john boehner now, when he walks back to hc-5 and he has that meeting with a republican caucus that he's having to drag to the table to bring -- generate new revenue. he now goes back, and boehner faces a very angry caucus. tom cole came out and said, hey, let's go ahead and raise taxes. that was remarkable. eric cantor on this show said, we have to raise additional revenue. republicans have stepped forward and said that. if i were a sitting member...
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we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say
we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key...
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john boehner asked to go one on one. the president said sure. these are -- i think these are really positive developments. >> yeah, i hope and i believe that to be the case. look, i don't think anybody wants to go over the cliff. and there are reasonable answers to this. there are much more complicated problems than this problem. >> right. >> and everyone knows sort of the parameters of the answer and the question is whether we can get there. >> pretty close. and also, we've got both sides talking about -- john boehner said this a day or two ago, i thought it was telling -- he said all of our money is going to come from the rich as far as the taxes go. they're, of course, not talking about raising the rates or trying to close loopholes. >> we have to resolve that question. >> right, it's a big question to be resolved, but at least both sides are talking about taking money from the same pocket. >> we're obviously light years ahead of where we were before the election. elections have consequences. that's the great thing about democracy. and i thin
john boehner asked to go one on one. the president said sure. these are -- i think these are really positive developments. >> yeah, i hope and i believe that to be the case. look, i don't think anybody wants to go over the cliff. and there are reasonable answers to this. there are much more complicated problems than this problem. >> right. >> and everyone knows sort of the parameters of the answer and the question is whether we can get there. >> pretty close. and also,...
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president obama and speaker john boehner are locked in a whatever words this afternoon one day after republicans rebuffed the president's first proposal to overt the so-called fiscal cliff. first up, the president. the president who traveled to a toy company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to for you republicans to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want rates on upper folks to go up. >> john boehner scheduled a last minute news conference. fired back with this. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. >> as the rhetoric heats up, the clock continues to tick down. after today, there are just ten legislative days on the calendar. the house announced they will be recessing one day early next would he week. joining me now from th
president obama and speaker john boehner are locked in a whatever words this afternoon one day after republicans rebuffed the president's first proposal to overt the so-called fiscal cliff. first up, the president. the president who traveled to a toy company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me...
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help or hurt john boehner's cause of cutting a deal before going over the qulcliff? >> long term probably helps. not helpful every day that goes by without entitlements being part of the discussion. >> i snow there are senate republicans frustrated. do you think tom cole helps the cause of barack obama? >> keeps taxes in the discussion, so it helps. >> you are a skeptic that there would be a deal. >> why would i be a skeptic? >> you believe we will gooff o the cliff. >> i do. i want to see the speaker put something on the floor that does not get the majority. >> i will make the prediction he will go there without knowing he had the majority. i have sources who claim this. shame wless plug. >> christmas, remember the folks in new jersey and new york. >> i have to go with my washington redskins. big game monday night, new york giants. wild card. >> lose record wild card? >> i know you're excited about facial hair being all the rage these days, but this is the last day of november. men's health issue prostate and tess ti testicular cancer. >>> that's it for the daily ru
help or hurt john boehner's cause of cutting a deal before going over the qulcliff? >> long term probably helps. not helpful every day that goes by without entitlements being part of the discussion. >> i snow there are senate republicans frustrated. do you think tom cole helps the cause of barack obama? >> keeps taxes in the discussion, so it helps. >> you are a skeptic that there would be a deal. >> why would i be a skeptic? >> you believe we will gooff o...
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. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdown, trying to look reasonable while the president is intransigent. especially si
. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >>...
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even though president obama and john boehner chatted by phone, there's no deal. republicans are not amused. >> incredibly many top democrats including the president seem perfectly happy to go off the cliff. that's why the president has been more interested in campaign rallies than actually negotiating a deal. >> many americans don't have much hope the two sides will make a deal and have moved to plan b. a retired teacher in utah has put off plans to get a new car. brian chandler, a data manager in atlanta is delaying buying a house despite needing space for a second kid due any day now and several families are shrinking the gift pile beneath the christmas tree this year. how about you? are you prepared if the nation goes off the fiscal cliff? facebook.com/carolcnn. facebook.com/carolcnn. your responses later this hour. >>> it's going to take massive amount of money to help the northeast recover from sandy. some $36 billion in new jersey alone. and now it's governor chris christie pushing the federal government to pick up 100% of that cost. if you are one of the m
even though president obama and john boehner chatted by phone, there's no deal. republicans are not amused. >> incredibly many top democrats including the president seem perfectly happy to go off the cliff. that's why the president has been more interested in campaign rallies than actually negotiating a deal. >> many americans don't have much hope the two sides will make a deal and have moved to plan b. a retired teacher in utah has put off plans to get a new car. brian chandler, a...
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this is what house speaker john boehner said about the state of the negotiations. take a listen. >> i think they're -- they won the election, they must have forgotten the republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is -- roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> governor, are they going to be able to find that common ground quickly? >> yeah, i think they are. you know i have to laugh. in the first term, the president was criticized by his base for giving in too quickly or too easily. this is a negotiation. and in the negotiation, you don't put on the table initially where you want to wind up. you put out what's your bargaining position and both sides have to understand that. but what i do think is important, is both sides, and not just the president, but our democrats in the congress as well. have to understand both sides have to understand what the other side needs to do. we're asking the republicans to raise rates. it's been something they've been d
this is what house speaker john boehner said about the state of the negotiations. take a listen. >> i think they're -- they won the election, they must have forgotten the republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is -- roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> governor, are they going to be able to find that common ground quickly? >> yeah, i think they are. you...
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when the president said to john boehner, look, you got to deal with this now. he said there is a price for everything. i'm fearful of a replay of last year where you cut a compromise on the budget and then by the way we're not voting to raise the debt ceiling. i think the president needs to hang tough and say do the debt ceiling now or we don't talk. >> speaker boehner needs to adjust to the current dynamic in the country. the nation has spoken. we had a long presidential debate and now he needs to act on the will of the majority in the country. >> eliot: that is great. mary kay henry thank you for coming on the when alea was born i definitely was not prepared. i just asked myself, "am i doing all that i can, am i doing the best that i can for her?" my whole family was so thrilled and so excited. it was just the start of a wonderful journey. i feel lucky every single day that i have my parents, i have my grandparents and that alea has grandparents and great-grandparents. sometimes they'll joke around and they'll say, " how's our baby, how's our baby?" and she's
when the president said to john boehner, look, you got to deal with this now. he said there is a price for everything. i'm fearful of a replay of last year where you cut a compromise on the budget and then by the way we're not voting to raise the debt ceiling. i think the president needs to hang tough and say do the debt ceiling now or we don't talk. >> speaker boehner needs to adjust to the current dynamic in the country. the nation has spoken. we had a long presidential debate and now...
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there's some question whether john boehner would even put a bill like that on the floor. so, right now, a standoff. but that's the bad news. the good news is they have a month left to negotiate. >> mike viqueira from the white house, we'll see you again next hour. thank you. >>> it may be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that significantly restrict congress' authority over the debt limit. house speaker john boehner pushing back maintaining a debt ceiling increase would need to be matched by spending cuts. >> if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then, there's going to be some price tag associated with it. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be aacademied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> joining me now, political anchor "new york one news" and co-editor of "scandals, tragedies and trumps triumphs." senior ederter for politics and news at yahoo! news. she has bec
there's some question whether john boehner would even put a bill like that on the floor. so, right now, a standoff. but that's the bad news. the good news is they have a month left to negotiate. >> mike viqueira from the white house, we'll see you again next hour. thank you. >>> it may be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that...
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do you think john boehner is the guy who's going to get this done? is he going to be able to lead your party to consensus? >> i don't know the answer to that question. what he's trying to do is to mitigate the damage that obama would do with these massive increases in rates. impasse is not an option. means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over 200,000, but most are small businesses filing a subchapter s companies, about 88% of net small business income will be for these taxes when we're depending on them to create two-thirds of the new jobs. boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> from everything i've heard is that we are realistically, there's two options for country. one, go over the cliff. the other, extend the bush tax cuts for the 98% of americans. everyone who makes under $200,000 a year if they're single. those seem to be the two choices. between those, which do you pick? >> but, if we do that and ra
do you think john boehner is the guy who's going to get this done? is he going to be able to lead your party to consensus? >> i don't know the answer to that question. what he's trying to do is to mitigate the damage that obama would do with these massive increases in rates. impasse is not an option. means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over 200,000, but most are small businesses filing a subchapter s...
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yesterday, john boehner moved the markets higher. it was joyful talk about a possible deal, but today, it was like a break-up over tax. he went from love to disgust. here he is right after tim geithner put that deal on the table. >> no progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> all right. that's pretty grim. stocks lost early games on that news and the day went downhill. harry reid slapped back. >> still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. >> so they agree on something. no progress. but then it actually went beyond that. reid got a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him, okay? >> funny, but really not so funny. so what happens when the men in charge start throwing sand in the sand box? we just go over the cliff like some are now suggesting? recall what erskine bowles said two weeks ago. >> i think that's crazy. you know, why would you bet the country? really bet the country by going over this fiscal cliff. >> crazy? betting the co
yesterday, john boehner moved the markets higher. it was joyful talk about a possible deal, but today, it was like a break-up over tax. he went from love to disgust. here he is right after tim geithner put that deal on the table. >> no progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> all right. that's pretty grim. stocks lost early games on that news and the day went downhill. harry reid slapped back. >> still waiting for a...
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i just can't imagine that happening with barack obama and john boehner. they just seem complete polar opposites. >> as you suggested, obama doesn't really have an appetite for this sort of thing. we saw that last time around and if you read bob woodward's "the price of politics" it's one of the themes that comes through loud and clear. he's doing some things differently this time, though and one thing that i think is very interesting, he's taking his case to the american people and doing it day after day. all of us have talked on this show and other places about how bad the president has been in the past on selling what he wants to happen, on explaining his policies and really bringing people around to them. and we see him now trying to do that in a more forceful way than he's done in the past. and that may strengthen his hand further. >> also, do you think -- sorry. ross, do you think the deal in the end when it gets done, as it obviously will get done at some stage, do you think the republicans will by then, whether they want to or not, have moved on th
i just can't imagine that happening with barack obama and john boehner. they just seem complete polar opposites. >> as you suggested, obama doesn't really have an appetite for this sort of thing. we saw that last time around and if you read bob woodward's "the price of politics" it's one of the themes that comes through loud and clear. he's doing some things differently this time, though and one thing that i think is very interesting, he's taking his case to the american people...
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they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democratic leadership to come up with something that avoids going over the fiscal cliff. i think that's what that poll shows. >> let me change topics for a bit. news broke just before the program that republican senator jim demint is leaving. he decided to take over the heritage foundation. i have a question for you in that was this expected? he's a staunch conservative and opponent to craving into democrats and how do those things factor into a way ahead for republicans in the senate? >> i was surprised to hear that jim demint was giving up his senate seat to become head of the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank in washington. it surprised me. i suppose if it surprised me, it surprised a lot of washingtonians as well. i didn't have any indication he was ready to give up that seat from south carolina. running the heritage foundation is an important position in washington. a lot of influence among conservatives, among republicans. i'm sure he's going to have
they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democratic leadership to come up with something that avoids going over the fiscal cliff. i think that's what that poll shows. >> let me change topics for a bit. news broke just before the program that republican senator jim demint is leaving. he decided to take over the heritage foundation. i have a question for you in that was this expected? he's a staunch conservative...
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john boehner saying, quote, right now we're almost nowhere. republicans were very much offended that timothy geithner brought to them a deal some of them had seen about three weeks ago and they thought was absolutely ludicrous, saying this was not a good faith effort by the white house, that in fact it was a completely illogical approach when you have a conservative house republican consfrens. what i'm hearing more than anything is that house republican aides are saying look, we have had a pathway to get to a deal before. it was apparent in 2011. why won't the white house look more at the things we could agree on back then as a practical way forward. democrats are saying look, that was the summer of 2011. that is off the table now. we won the election we're going to do things our way. so until that issue is sort of figured out and until republicans move on entitlements, democrats saying okay, we're open to entitlement reform, you got to tell us what you want, there is going to be this stalemate in place. there has been this sort of sense of op
john boehner saying, quote, right now we're almost nowhere. republicans were very much offended that timothy geithner brought to them a deal some of them had seen about three weeks ago and they thought was absolutely ludicrous, saying this was not a good faith effort by the white house, that in fact it was a completely illogical approach when you have a conservative house republican consfrens. what i'm hearing more than anything is that house republican aides are saying look, we have had a...
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he's saying to john boehner i'm taking your leverage home with me. he's right about it. i don't think the house will ever go for it. but it is the way things should be, don't you think? >> he should have done it the last time, he should have done it in 2011. a lot of us wrote it and wondered why he wasn't doing this then but at least he's doing it now and yes this is exactly the right way to play it. the congress has increased the debt limit -- i forget the exact number, i think it is 73 times in american history. and never never until last year was it held hostage to other demands or filibustered by the senate which it was both of those things last year. so he's coming back and saying no no, i'm not going to play the game that way anymore. >> eliot: that's exactly right. we still don't have any clarity to switch over to what the republicans are asking for or what their proposal would look like. there are three different ways they could agree to raise revenue. you can cap deductions for individuals and mitt romney debate idea, eliminate specific loopholes or raise margin
he's saying to john boehner i'm taking your leverage home with me. he's right about it. i don't think the house will ever go for it. but it is the way things should be, don't you think? >> he should have done it the last time, he should have done it in 2011. a lot of us wrote it and wondered why he wasn't doing this then but at least he's doing it now and yes this is exactly the right way to play it. the congress has increased the debt limit -- i forget the exact number, i think it is 73...
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john boehner is reswrekting the president's michelle proposal involving the fiscal cliff. let's lisp in. >> the president in the coming days. during the campaign the president pledged to american people that he would seek a balanced approach to addressing the debt with a combination of new revenues and spending cuts. the day after the election i said the republican majority would accept new revenue as part of a balanced approach that includes real spending cuts and reforms. now, the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of a proposal, and much to my disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. still, i'm willing to move forward in good faith. our original framework still stands. instead of raising tax rates, we can produce similar amount of revenue, reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. it's far better for the economy when the american people paver on that approach by 2-1. they favor it eep more when we can also show them that real spending cuts will, in fact, reduce the deficit. now, there have been many conversations over the last cou
john boehner is reswrekting the president's michelle proposal involving the fiscal cliff. let's lisp in. >> the president in the coming days. during the campaign the president pledged to american people that he would seek a balanced approach to addressing the debt with a combination of new revenues and spending cuts. the day after the election i said the republican majority would accept new revenue as part of a balanced approach that includes real spending cuts and reforms. now, the white...
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john boehner versus the president of the united states. and we want to just look at the sound bites from today and talk about how much of this is posturing and how much of this is sort of revealing a bottom line. let's listen. >> when i came out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal. and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> -- this should come as a surprise to anybody. we had debates about it, a lot of tv commercials about it. and at the end of the day a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, they agreed with a balanced approach to deficit reduction and making sure that middle class taxes don't go up. f
john boehner versus the president of the united states. and we want to just look at the sound bites from today and talk about how much of this is posturing and how much of this is sort of revealing a bottom line. let's listen. >> when i came out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal. and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in...
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and john boehner is under a tremendous amount of pressure to look tough. they want to beat their chests and say we're standing up to barack obama before they have to cave. so that's why i think a lot of the negotiations are happening publicly. in the end it's going to be a private meeting and things are going to get done. >> john, do you agree? >> i do. i think both sides should probably be embarrassed at this point. we are not in the get it done stage. we're in the public relations campaign phase. both of the them have put forward less specificity than you would see in a $50,000 mortgage application yet we're talking about $2 billion. so i think both of them are trying to secure their position with the public and then we will see this get done as we get closer. >> so, john, let me ask you this, so will the republicans at any point say, well, we kind of have to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans to get a deal done? do you think that will happen eventually? >> well, let's not forget, in their plan they are raising the tax on the wealthy but they're doi
and john boehner is under a tremendous amount of pressure to look tough. they want to beat their chests and say we're standing up to barack obama before they have to cave. so that's why i think a lot of the negotiations are happening publicly. in the end it's going to be a private meeting and things are going to get done. >> john, do you agree? >> i do. i think both sides should probably be embarrassed at this point. we are not in the get it done stage. we're in the public relations...
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let me underline again. >> yeah. >> john boehner's counter offer was pathetic. even the tea party groups are saying the counter offer was pathetic. this republican party in the house better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from now. i want to see, at least, if you're not going to offer new revenue, you better offer a lot of cuts and they're doing neither. so you've got to blame both sides, but there's only one president. >> the president's going to have to do something big, i think, to get this done. he's not -- he's more power and sway than a lot of people including i thought he would have coming out of the election. issues like entitlement reform and new revenue, but he's going to have to do something big. there's been a four-year course of he doesn't get along with either party, doesn't make the kind of effort you're talking about. i don't think there's any doubt he's going to, particularly john boehner, find some human interconnection moment that says we're doing this. and that's when the tough part starts. because once there's a
let me underline again. >> yeah. >> john boehner's counter offer was pathetic. even the tea party groups are saying the counter offer was pathetic. this republican party in the house better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from now. i want to see, at least, if you're not going to offer new revenue, you better offer a lot of cuts and they're doing neither. so you've got to blame both sides, but there's only one president. >> the president's going to...
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and boehner who, by the way, the best thing to happen to john boehner yesterday was tom cole because for the first time boehner gets to be the middle ground in the house republican conference, right? he's got the guys to his right who want him to do nothing. but now he's finally got people on his left. that hadn't existed before. the boehner folks won't publicly admit it at all, but yesterday was a good day for john boehner to cut a deal that perhaps will be a deal that doesn't have him having to go to the floor with a majority of the majority, joe. >> i absolutely love the posing and the positioning as both sides are playing for the base of their own parties. i'm wondering if john boehner and barack obama got together, had their short conversation and say hey, why don't we characterize this as a curt, short, curt conversation. that will help you with your people. that will help -- didn't you love that? you know, we hear they talked, and they had a curt conversation. >> reporter: yeah. there is truth to that. >> exactly what both sides wanted to hear. >> reporter: no, there is truth
and boehner who, by the way, the best thing to happen to john boehner yesterday was tom cole because for the first time boehner gets to be the middle ground in the house republican conference, right? he's got the guys to his right who want him to do nothing. but now he's finally got people on his left. that hadn't existed before. the boehner folks won't publicly admit it at all, but yesterday was a good day for john boehner to cut a deal that perhaps will be a deal that doesn't have him having...
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john boehner is already ready for $800 billion of ip creancre tax revenue. calculating deductions, eliminating loopholes. are you with the speaker of the house on that? >> unfortunately, the policies of the president obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they already pared back plans and hiring for next year, anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve, if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and hurt job growth. >> are you with boehner? >> i am not with boehner. this government doesn't need any more money. this country needs less government. we are going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year, but we've doubled spepding in the last ten years. >> everyone's taxes are going to go up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to comp
john boehner is already ready for $800 billion of ip creancre tax revenue. calculating deductions, eliminating loopholes. are you with the speaker of the house on that? >> unfortunately, the policies of the president obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they already pared back plans and hiring for next year, anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve, if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and hurt...